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(My Irusk is painted, but this is not my Irusk)

I played in a tourney that ended up going 4 rounds last weekend. I am somewhat ashamed to admit that I hadn’t really played Irusk1 much so decided to give him a whirl at the urging of my regular opponent who wants to practice against him more. I learned a lot about him and about how he is the same and different to Irusk2 (who I love). Here is how I did and what I learned

I took a variation on my usual eIrusk list just because I am pretty familiar with how it should run and the addition of iron flesh should just make it better. My second caster was eSorscha with conquest and WGI/Joe in case I got too frustrated with the “new” caster.

My List:

Kommandant Irusk – WJ: +6
– Behemoth – PC: 13

Koldun Lord – PC: 2
Manhunter – PC: 2

Great Bears of Gallowswood – Volkov, Kolsk, Yarovich: 5
Iron Fang Pikemen – Leader & 9 Grunts: 8
– Iron Fang Officer & Standard – Iron Fang Officer & Standard 2
Kayazy Assassins – Leader & 9 Grunts: 8
– Kayazy Assassin Underboss – Underboss 2
Kayazy Eliminators – Leader & Grunt: 3
Kayazy Eliminators – Leader & Grunt: 3
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt – Lady Aiyanna & Master Holt: 4
Greylord Ternion – Leader & 2 Grunts: 4

Game 1 vs. Skorne – Mordikaar

Mordie, krea, brute, archidon, drake, nihilators, tyrant commander, max ferox, ferox dragoon (can’t remember his name)

Kind of an odd list but had a lot of pathfinder in it ferrox and dragoon and archidon- I don’t think I cast IG once in this game. I ran the kayazy to engage the nihilators and then the next turn minifeated and charged through to take out the tyrant commander, put iron flesh on the ifp on turn 2 and minifeated to jam pretty hard. Eliminators charged and killed the krea, I was choking him out pretty hard. The manhunter was dancing with the dragoon basically keeping him from advancing. The other eliminators and behemoth killed the ferrox over the course of 2 turns. I had the ternion put clouds on themselves on feat turn to block LOS to prevent a charge and irusk put IF on himself just in case. Made a couple of toughs with them but archidon go ghostly and charged at irusk but he wasn’t able to kill him thanks to iron flesh. The great bears killed the archidon. At this point my opponent conceded because he didn’t have much left that could do anything.

Game 2 vs. Skorne – Hexeris2

Pretty standard hexxie list – gladiator, 2 bronze backs, min nihilators, max nihilator, marketh, 2 ancestral guardians (something like that)

IG was up most of the game. For some reason he selected his gladiator as arc node (we talked after the game that he might want to consider a brute for that task or one of the bronze backs). He ran in a fairly tight brick with the nihilators each with an ancestral guardian on the flanks – eliminators and manhunter matched up on one side with them and kayazy assassins with the other. since gladiator was his arc node he put him out a bit far, on feat turn he trampled trying to get a bead on irusk for some hellfire death but ended up engaged at reach range by great bears put there for that purpose. IG made sure that hexxie couldn’t advance into range himself. Took out bronzeback and gladiator on following turn, as well as both units of nihilators and minifeated kayazy to surround him and set up following turn with great bears coming up the middle at him, the eliminators on the flank in range and the remaining assassins ready to follow up into the gap created by ashes to ashes on the guys engaging him. Opponent conceded at this point.

Game 3 vs. Menoth – Kreoss2

His list was kind of crazy, Kreoss2, fires of salvation (I think), the book, 2 units of bastions, a unit of the crossbow hunter guys, a unit of croes with attendant priest, anastacia de bray. Absolutely brutal on his feat turn with everything getting an extra attack and autohitting. This game was over on bottom of 3 – turn 1 we both advanced, turn 2 croe got a shot on irusk to keep him from casting, I upkept superiority, stepped out of LOS behind a forest and feated, he feated top of 3 and de bray ran into the forest I was hiding behind for even more autohitting badness – I had a single kayazy assassin make 4 saves in a row (which didn’t matter but was funny). Behemoth stepped forward and smashed fire clearing a lane for great bears to charge kreoss, dropped bombs on the book to finish him off, my ternion hit kreoss 3 times with ice cage dropping his defense down to where the great bears needed 3s to hit, irusk battle lusted them and they put him down.

Game 4 vs. Trollbloods – pDoomie tier 4

Had I not already decided to take irusk all day I would have taken him here anyway, Mulg makes conquest cry. This list is a pain to play but I hit hard enough where basically any single hit would force toughs on the runeshapers. He got hot on a few clutch tests, but failed a lot of others so it was a wash. I was able to shift behemoth over to where janissa was more than 1″ away from a screening model and put 2 boosted arcing fires on her and killed her. On my feat turn mulg trampled up to irusk and got two hits on him, both hit and wounded, the second one killing him but I was able to make my feat tough check. His earthborn charged behemoth on the same turn but was dismayed to learn about pow 0 weapons. Behemoth had been next to irusk so irusk gave 3 to behemoth, behemoth advanced between mulg and the earthborn, killed mulg with 1 focus left over hit the earthborn. Irusk shifted to behind a wall and put battle lust on the great bears who charged and killed the earthborn who was in range of both the wall and the krielstone, at this point both of us were down to about a quarter of the models we started with. He advanced pdoomie up and cast stranglehold twice at irusk behind the wall and missed the first one but hit the second and with just 1 wound left I died. It was a super tight game against a player who is widely considered one of the best in Southern California (Nathan) with a crazy mean list so I was stoked to make him work so hard for it.

After action review:
I used his feat defensively in most every game because I forgot about the +2+2 in most instances. The list is far from perfect and I doubt I will be pairing him with eSorscha so he will probably end up with the WGI and Joe instead of the Kayazy. I never really used A&H – they were in the list for Menoth shenanigans and I never really faced them. I am tempted to switch them out for Alexia and the Risen with Valachev. IG was certainly useful but is so expensive. Battle lust is always awesome. Gives me a shieldwall order and charge boost on the IFP, makes the Great Bears able to take down pretty much anything in the game.

Ternion continued to shine. I love these guys so much and they have so much utility on the table. In the first game they sprayed down ferrox, in the second game they sprayed down nihilators, in the third game they and the koldun lord knocked 6 off kreoss defenses and cleared a charge lane with a spray, last game they blocked LOS to irusk and sprayed whelps out of the way to clear charge lanes.

I really could have played irusk better – I got him forward too often and a war dog would have been nice – probably better even than sylys in this list so this list is going to undergo some pretty major changes but as a first outing it was pretty good.

If you guys have any tips with him that would be great


Now that I am getting more comfortable with the trolls it isn’t quite the brain drain it was and hopefully I will be getting some pics soon. There are no pics here though, sorry.

So, last club day at Emerald Knights I ended up watching more than playing just because a few people needed to get in their team games and I didn’t really feel like doing another one. I did, however, get in a game against Josh playing his Menoth army. We played a 35 point game and I ran a couple of units that I had just finished (note to self – don’t play with all new models).

I was going with an eGrissel tier for no reason other than finally finishing up that unit of kriel warriors that I have been hunting down forever and the newly built horthol and max longriders. Also, our local PG was giving people a bonus league point for using the league selection so I took some whelp scrappers.

Army Name: eGrissel tier
Tier 2: Blockade Runners
34+6 points, 27 models

Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels +6 points
* Dire Troll Mauler 9 points
* Troll Axer 6 points
Horthol, Long Rider Hero 4 points
10 Kriel Warriors 6 points
* 1 Kriel Caber Thrower 1 point
* Kriel Warrior Standard & Piper 2 points
Troll Whelps 2 points
5 Trollkin Long Riders 10 points

Add +1 to your starting game roll.

I would love to have a War Wagon or two, but don’t and the same with the Sons of Bragg so I was stuck at tier 2. I’ll give my thoughts on the tier later.

Just to recap, I have played eGrissel and the axer fairly regularly, not used the Mauler since I picked up the Earthborn, and never used anything else in the list. Facing me across the table was Josh and his Tier 4 eSevvy list. I might screw some of this up but it is from memory (also, iBodger says he can’t have the sunburst crew in a tier list, I dunno):

Army Name: Josh eSeverius
Protectorate of Menoth
35+6 points, 43 models

Grand Scrutator Severius +6 points
* Blessing of Vengeance 7 points
* Revenger 6 points

4 Choir of Menoth 2 points
Deliverer Sunburst Crew 3 points
10 Deliverers 8 points
10 Temple Flameguard 6 points
* TFG Officer & Standard 2 points
10 Temple Flameguard 6 points
* TFG Officer & Standard 2 points
Vassal Mechanik 1 point

We ended up being a bit lazy and just doing a straight killbox mission. There was a hill in the center of the table on the right side and a forest just to the left of mid table (from my POV). That was really all the terrain that mattered.

Josh went first and ran everything forward and put the flameguard into typical triangle formation. He jammed one of them to the gap between the hill and the forest – we were using the wrecked shuttle from 40k as the hill and I kept thinking it was an obstacle despite us talking about so I kept viewing it as a bottle neck. Oops.

The other unit of flameguard ran around the other side of the woods to intercept Horthol.

My turn kriel warriors prayed for speed and ran up and jammed the “bottle neck”. Horthol moved full distance and the long riders lined up for a charge. Grissel and the Mauler and Axer advanced in a line behind them.

The center flameguard advanced a little bit and minifeated. Shooting killed a few kriel warriors and the lead toughalo but he toughed it out. Since I had though that stupid wrecked shuttle was an obstacle that toughalo screwed my follow up charges and slams so I was horribly out of position. Horthol charged and slammed the front line of flameguard and killed 2 or 3 that were set up for me and then he was charged and dismounted and then killed off over the next turn or so. Sevvy hit a pretty hard core ashes to ashes on my kriel warriors killing 5 of them including the guy next to the caber and the caber himself. Ugh. Must work on positioning…

The toughaloes were picked apart in a combination of jack charging and shooting.

My mauler got a charge on one of the triplets of flameguard and killed the lead 2 but then was killed in follow up shooting and charging. The axer charged the jacks and a couple of the flameguard and rolled a 3 and then a 4 for damage on his threshers. We joked that in about 10 turns he would be deadly. Obviously he died horribly.

Before I knew it, I was down to eGrissel and he was down 4 or 5 flameguard. Grissel decided to go out in a bang and charged Blessing of Vengeance and didn’t kill him (she missed twice despite needing 5s or something). Josh was a sport and pulled Blessing of Vengeance out of combat and charged Grissel with Severius. The Vice Grand High Mega Scrutator then put Grissel in the dirt with his last attack and she failed her tough.

Ouch. To paraphrase (and clean up a bit) a line from Fight Club, “I haven’t been worked that hard since fifth grade.”

Still, I did learn a lot. The biggest thing was, don’t try everything new. I have been doing a decent job of just rotating in single things into a list I am comfortable with to learn how they go. I know how to jam pretty well with fennblades and figured it wouldn’t be that different from kriel warriors (it is). A mauler is basically just like an earthborn (no, it isn’t). The toughaloes are like fennblades on steroids (wth was I thinking?)

My unfamiliarity with my models and their capabilities kept me from developing any kind of cohesive plan and I got whooped and deserved it. This game is far too unforgiving to just try and wing it, especially against a great opponent like Josh. So, I apologized to Josh for what a pretty unchallenging game and packed up. It was a good lesson to learn the hard way.

I may or may not have cried myself to sleep.

So I got a couple of games in against Sergio last week for the journeyman league and I wanted to make sure and post them, since I still haven’t posted the game we played last month.

Since they were supposed to be journeyman league games our lists were pretty much decided for us. I brought the farrow (Lord Carver, 2x gun boars, war hog) and he was bringing the standard Menoth starter rather than then newly approved 2 player starter kit (pKreoss, crusader, repenter, revenger)

Deployment was pretty straightforward looking like this:

The early part of the game we both advanced each trying to get the drop on the other. I cast a rift to create an area of rough terrain to keep from being charged and it scattered a bit, but not too badly.

The lack of Menoth’s trademark synergy would be a referring thorn in Sergio’s side. In this case, with no way of giving pathfinder he was pretty much just stuck. Carver popped his feat. The gun boar on the right charged the light jack and damaged it up pretty well but didn’t quite destroy it. The war hog charged the heavy jack and wrecked it (we just left the model there rather than a wreck marker) and failing to take out the damaged light. The gun boar on the left tried to slam the other light jack back to try and limit the retaliation but missed thanks to Defender’s Ward!

Both light jacks combined to kill war hog. The gun boar did a double handed throw the light jack I killed one of the other light jacks and Kreoss popped his feat since I finally didn’t cast batten down the hatches and came forward to try and finish Carver (I forgot he had reach). Luckily for me Carver survived the assassination run. Lord Carver finished Kreoss giving the win to the farrow.

We had hoped to rotate in some games with Shawn but he was unable to make it. We decided to have another game even though only the first one would count toward the league.

I played a bit cagier this time, running forward to take the linear obstacles as cover and try some shooting. Turns out gun boar shooting doesn’t do much to jacks.

In return Kreoss decided to just set my pigs on fire forcing me to go forward and deal with him. It was kind of funny, the gun boar on the left burned all game long but due to lousy rolls never took any damage. Guess he was just slow cooking the pork.

I forgot to do any more pictures from this point. I kept batten down the hatches up every turn, used my feat to kill his heavy and one of his lights, threw the other one in the water. Kreoss went over and lit the furnace. I sent the warhog in after him and Kreoss just laid a holy beatdown on him killing single handedly. Kreoss and the light came out of the water and again tried an assassination on Carver, and again ended up with Hand of God to the face for his troubles.

The second game I had it well in had and almost blew it. I had all three beasts and all Sergio had was the light with the shield which I had thrown into the water. What I should have done while he was igniting the jack was fallen back and used my fury for a couple of turns to get the war hog back up to full. At that point it would have been a pretty easy matter. As it was I had to get desperate and put Carver in a bad place and almost lost what should have been a sure win.

Full marks to Sergio for sticking it out and almost pulling off a huge upset win.

A couple of final thoughts here. Menoth without the choir takes a hit but are not terrible – especially in the battle box format. Kreoss has good spells. I had to keep carver back to stay out of lamentation range in order to keep batten down the hatches up but I needed it in order to not have my army knocked down and beaten to death.

I am really happy with Carver and how he is playing. Using the feat to take out an opposing jack or two is a pretty great way of getting the upper hand and I found I was using it earlier than I did in the bigger games where I was trying to force an assassination. I will have to remember that in the larger games I play.

Next Thursday night is league night at Emerald Comics and I hope to get in a few more games.

Thanks for reading!